In her first seven weeks in office, Democratic Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek has emphasized three big priorities: housing and homelessness, mental and behavioral health care and K-12 education.
Kotek joined Dave Miller on OPB鈥檚 鈥淭hink Out Loud鈥� recently.
The following transcript has been edited for clarity and length.
Dave Miller: Oregon鈥檚 on-time graduation rate is among the bottom 10 states nationally. Our math and science scores are well below average. Reading as well. And funding alone doesn鈥檛 seem like an adequate explanation because our funding is about in the middle of the pack nationally. Why? What鈥檚 not working in Oregon?
Tina Kotek: What I heard on the campaign trail was public education is very important to Oregonians. We want to make sure that every child has what they need: a safe classroom so they can be successful. I was a leader in making sure we could get more resources into our schools with the passage of the Student Success Act. Then the pandemic intervened, and so we don鈥檛 know fully the impact of those dollars. But I can tell you: those dollars, if spent well and used wisely by our school districts, I believe will increase our graduation rates and really provide that sound footing for students to be able to graduate and be successful as adults.
We have seen, because of the pandemic and a whole lot of things, that our 3rd graders are not where they need to be on reading. So I have a very specific focus in my budget on early literacy, including money for summer school as well as increased training for our educators, more supports in our schools, so our students can be reading. Now we鈥檙e looking at third, fourth and fifth grade because of the pandemic. I think we can make success, and my goal is to change those numbers in the positive direction.
Dave Miller: I want to go back to the first question I just asked cause I don鈥檛 feel like I鈥檓 clear on your vision of what hasn鈥檛 been working. You mentioned the bill you passed that you really helped to shepherd through to get more money to education, but what isn鈥檛 working? Why are we where we are? In your mind, is it just a question of funding?
Tina Kotek: Well, our graduation rates are improving and they鈥檙e not where they need to be. And it鈥檚 not just resources, not just money. I want to make sure that we鈥檙e holding our school districts accountable for how the money is being spent. Those new dollars in particular are supposed to be spent based on community planning, working with the community about 鈥� what do you need to make sure students can be successful? Well, how are they doing there? I want to go back to Measure 98 and what is now the High School Success program with a focus on career and technical education and making sure students have more support for graduation. We just saw an audit on that. It鈥檚 working, so we know how to do this. It鈥檚 a combination of resources, real set goals and accountability to make those goals happen. And I think our Department of Education can be more proactive in working with our districts to make sure they are hitting the mark. And that is something I want to bring. Get the resources but also make sure that they鈥檙e spent well in a way to get to the goals we have.
Dave Miller: I still don鈥檛 have clarity on what you think why we are where we are. Why is it that we鈥檙e performing below the national average in so many ways?
Tina Kotek: Well, I do think it has been partially a funding issue. If you recall, in 2019, when we passed the Student Success Act, it was a fix for a 30-year problem to add more resources into our schools. But we didn鈥檛 just say: 鈥淗ere鈥檚 more money.鈥� We said: 鈥淚t has to go to these specific things: the social and emotional health of our students, career and technical education.鈥� And honestly we haven鈥檛 had a chance to see those dollars perform because of the pandemic. I think it鈥檚 resources, it鈥檚 how we target. And honestly, my biggest focus is to make sure every child has success. I don鈥檛 want to see the numbers we see for our under-resourced communities. We have Black, Indigenous, students of color who are not meeting the mark. That is on us. We are not providing the right types of resources for those students because every child has the ability to succeed. And honestly, we have more work to do there.
Dave Miller: Let鈥檚 turn specifically to reading. Just to give folks some numbers, as a reminder, 61% of third graders in Oregon are not fully proficient at reading and later grades do not really improve much. A third of seventh graders are substantially below grade level in reading. We focused on this issue last week and we heard about what鈥檚 known as the science of reading. It鈥檚 a body of research going back decades now, basically showing that children are much more likely to learn how to read if they鈥檙e taught it in a very systematic way, based on evidence. Do you agree broadly that the best practices for teaching should be used?
Tina Kotek: Absolutely, that鈥檚 why it鈥檚 a priority in my budget and also why I鈥檓 working with Representative Kropf and other legislators on an early literacy package that says we should have evidence-based practices in our schools. There鈥檚 not one set curriculum to improve reading, but there are ways to go about it and what tools that we鈥檙e giving to our educators to make that happen. We also have to make sure that our students are ready to be successful. No matter what we teach them, if their home life is terrible or they have depression, we have to make sure the whole student is ready to learn as well. So it鈥檚 not just curriculum. But we do need to support our teachers. We do need to talk about evidence-based practices and that鈥檚 what that bill is going to do. And you have to put resources behind it because we鈥檙e not doing that sufficiently. I also want to say we have to go upstream. What are we teaching our educators? The more I learn about what our teacher prep programs are doing, I鈥檓 concerned. So we鈥檙e starting to have that conversation with our teacher prep colleges here in Oregon and say: 鈥淲hat are you doing?鈥� This for the future, not just in the next couple of years.
Dave Miller: I want to play an exchange we had last week with a teacher of a professor of education. Ronda Fritz is at Eastern Oregon University and she鈥檚 the director of the Reading Clinic there. I asked her if she thought the state should mandate the use of curricula that are truly based on the science of reading. This is the exchange:
Ronda Fritz: Do I think we need to mandate that?
Dave Miller: Yeah, from Salem.
Ronda Fritz: Oh gosh, that鈥檚 a big can of worms. But I guess my answer would be: 鈥榊es.鈥� Because if we don鈥檛 put the right tools in the hands of teachers, then providing them this knowledge will just be frustrating. Because if we require them to do letters or whatever professional development, and then we go into the classroom and they have these materials that don鈥檛 match, that鈥檚 another that鈥檚 going to be a huge roadblock to any change in terms of student outcomes. So, yeah, I guess I would say it needs to be mandated.
Dave Miller: You introduced a bill, or had on your behalf, that鈥檚 essentially a grant program. It would give districts more money if they want to focus on teaching students or doing summer work or giving teachers more understanding, more grounding in what the bill says are evidence- based methods. But you don鈥檛 actually in that bill lay out specifically the exact curricula or the underpinnings of the curricula that you鈥檇 like to see. Why not require from the Oregon Department of Education that districts use the best practices? There鈥檚 decades of data now.
Tina Kotek: That bill, as introduced, is not where we want it to be. So it鈥檚 getting amended, and we鈥檙e working with Representative Kropf who also has a bill to combine our forces of trying to get the right bill and the right set of investments done.
Dave Miller: But that too is sort of similar. It鈥檚 more carrot than stick. As it鈥檚 written now, it also says: 鈥淭he district, if you鈥檇 like to do more, here鈥檚 more money. But you have to do these things if you want our money.鈥� It doesn鈥檛 say: 鈥淵ou have to do this.鈥� So broadly, we can set aside where the bill stands, do you think the Oregon Department of Education should mandate this kind of curriculum?
Tina Kotek: Right now, the Department of Ed is working on an early literacy framework which will provide more guidance for the districts. And I鈥檓 pushing them to get something ready so we can inform what we鈥檙e gonna do this summer because we want our summer programming to be based on some guidance from the state. I also believe strongly that our Department of Education should be more directive on what we can do. Now, I think what鈥檚 clear about the curriculum is we don鈥檛 want to say: 鈥淭his is the curriculum.鈥� I don鈥檛 think we want to do that.
Dave Miller: Why not?
Tina Kotek: Well, because there鈥檚 not one perfect curriculum. But I think we might want to get to a menu of, here are the 10 types of curriculum that are evidence-based that you should utilize, versus I just pick one out of the air. I would like us to get there and give more direction for the districts. And if they鈥檙e not picking one of the ones that are evidence-based, we want to know why.
Dave Miller: As opposed to saying: 鈥淵ou can鈥檛 do it.鈥� You want to know why?
Tina Kotek: I don鈥檛 think we know yet to know how best to encourage our districts. But what has normally worked is more of a carrot. Like: here鈥檚 the guidance, here are your choices. And what I know from districts is they need resources. At the end of the day, the administrators, the boards and the educators all want to do the right thing for the students. We believe in local control here. So it鈥檚 that balance between decision making and these are the really the best things to do.
Dave Miller: We could focus on reading because it鈥檚 a glaring issue right now, but the broader issue here is how much control should Salem exert, and how important and when do you think local control and letting districts and school boards make big decisions should that win the day? Another way to put it is: what would it take for you to say, 鈥淭he status quo is not working and it鈥檚 time for Salem to Bigfoot a little bit to help kids out?鈥�
Tina Kotek: Well, one of the things that Oregonians should know, if they don鈥檛 already: the biggest funder of our schools is the state. It鈥檚 not local property taxes, it is the state. So I think we have a role to say: 鈥淟ook, we need outcomes, we have direction here.鈥� I鈥檝e had a track record, in the past, when I was speaker of the House supporting programs that said we need to have better outcomes for our students. English language learners 鈥� very good example 鈥� and what we did in that case was we set new standards. It鈥檚 always important to clarify the standards for districts. If something is not clear, you gotta make it very clear. And then you say, 鈥淗ere鈥檚 some money to help you get there. And if you can鈥檛, we鈥檙e gonna bring in technical assistance to help you get there.鈥� These kind of collective improvement processes, if they鈥檙e not hitting their goals. That has worked and we have to continue to do that I think for every area of complex challenges that we have. And I don鈥檛 want the Department of Ed just to be a place where you send reports. Those reports have to mean something and the agency has to be able to say: 鈥淗ey, you鈥檙e not hitting your goals.鈥� Right now, the only tool for the Department of Education, if you鈥檙e not hitting your goals, is to take money back. That鈥檚 not a real tool. No one鈥檚 going to do that. What we need to be is in partnership with our school leadership to actually get the goals we need.
Dave Miller: If I鈥檓 a parent right now listening to this, I can imagine thinking: 鈥淲ait a minute, this is just like more blather, or at least well-meaning delay and saying, 鈥榣et鈥檚 let the process work.鈥� But meanwhile, my kid who has a learning disability or is two grades behind and wasn鈥檛 in school in person for a year and a half and is struggling. What are you going to do right now for my kid?鈥� And I can imagine that person not hearing any help coming anytime soon.
Tina Kotek: Well, I know that parents want the best for their kids, and I want the best for their children because we need our youngest to be able to succeed and be successful. What I will say is I believe in outcomes. I believe in not just throwing money at a problem. It is not about the money at the end of the day. Yes, we can always use more resources. And we have to make sure that we have a north star that we鈥檙e going towards something, and this is how many students are graduating. If you鈥檙e not graduating, why? If you鈥檙e not reading by grade level, why? And when I saw that there were some districts that had zero students, zero students reading at grade level in the last report, I was like: 鈥淲hy aren鈥檛 we on their doorstep right now?鈥� Now, I wasn鈥檛 elected yet.
Dave Miller: But you are now.
Tina Kotek: I am now, and I鈥檓 going to have very honest conversations with districts. If you can鈥檛 do it, you鈥檙e going to have to explain, or we鈥檙e going to have to spend more time with you.
Dave Miller: I want to turn to housing and homelessness. Just this week, you told lawmakers that you want them to put $155 million towards homelessness. It was more than you鈥檇 asked them seven weeks ago in your first inaugural address. What would you want that money to be spent on?
Tina Kotek: It is a fulfillment of a commitment to reduce unsheltered homelessness this year. No one should be living on the streets. If you鈥檙e living on the streets, we have to help you get into shelter, connect you to services and get you into permanent housing. There are a lot of good things going on in the state right now. Around the state, every corner of the state has a challenge. My job as governor is to bring new energy, resources and focused work to move the needle. And that $155 million will keep more than 8,000 Oregonians from becoming homeless in the first place; it will add 700 new shelter beds; it will make sure that once someone has moved from the streets to a shelter to housing, that there will be some help to stay in housing with some rent assistance. We have to do all of this. And it also means more behavioral health services and outreach connecting to people, that one-on-one connection. Look, people don鈥檛 want to see folks living outside. I don鈥檛 want to see people living outside. That $155 million dollars needs to happen now so we can make progress this year.
Dave Miller: We asked our listeners in various places to give us their questions for you. Sam Driborr on Twitter wrote, 鈥淕overnor Kotek talks a lot about the humane solutions and treatment we should provide to combat homelessness, as she should. But what is the contingency plan for those who do not want treatment or to leave their camps? Where is the line, and what are the options Governor Kotek is considering?鈥�
Tina Kotek: I appreciate the question, Sam. Let鈥檚 start with moving the folks, helping people move who are most ready to move, right? If we can show progress, particularly for our most vulnerable: our seniors, our veterans, families with kids, young people coming out of foster care. If we can show progress there, that sends a message that we will get this done. I don鈥檛 know every single person living outside will accept services or want to be housed, but I think the majority of them do. So we鈥檙e starting there first, and because it means community safety and it鈥檚 just the humane thing to do. So it鈥檚 not an either-or conversation for me, but let鈥檚 start making progress. And there are folks who are ready to go now.
Dave Miller: What鈥檚 your overall vision in terms of what you think we need to do to build a system or a society that makes homelessness brief or rare?
Tina Kotek: Well, we need more housing. And I know there鈥檚 been this false debate about, well, is it homelessness or housing? It鈥檚 both. I set a goal on my very first day and full day in office, an executive order that said that we would build 36,000 new units of housing every year for the next decade. And that鈥檚 an ambitious goal.
Dave Miller: Eighty percent or so more than we鈥檙e doing right now?
Tina Kotek: Yeah, it鈥檚 a really big goal. That shows people the depth of the challenge here. We can鈥檛 do business as usual. We need more housing. There is nothing more frustrating when someone is doing everything possible and everything right. Let鈥檚 say they have an addiction and they get sober and they鈥檙e waiting. I just read a story the other day. Someone鈥檚 like, 鈥淚鈥檓 ready, I鈥檝e done everything right,鈥� and they don鈥檛 have a place to live. We have to have more housing. So we have to show energy on both the immediate goals of ending unsheltered homelessness for as many people as possible, and finding a place for people to live. So we鈥檙e going to build a lot more housing.
Dave Miller: What incentives do you think are going to be most helpful in getting the private sector? Because that鈥檚 where the vast majority of this housing is going to come from.
Tina Kotek: We鈥檙e gonna have to be creative and we鈥檙e going to have to be willing to change how we do business now. The executive order that I issued calls for a Housing Production Council. I think we鈥檒l have our first meeting scheduled for next week, and it鈥檚 a variety of things. It鈥檚 how you finance these projects, how you reduce red tape and bureaucratic barriers to getting things done quickly, that zoning and other types of design restrictions. We have to talk about the workforce who鈥檚 actually going to build all this housing. Particularly in some communities, they don鈥檛 have anyone to build the housing, much less finance it. What is the partnership with the private sector? It鈥檚 not going to be the public sector. Now, my budget puts a billion dollars towards the construction of affordable housing, the largest number we鈥檝e seen in that program since I started doing this, and it鈥檚 absolutely needed. But the state government is not gonna build all the housing. We need the private sector. So there are private sector representatives, developers, architects, planners, that鈥檚 going to be on this council saying we need to do things differently. Everything has to be on the table if we鈥檙e going to build more housing.
Dave Miller: You鈥檝e been clear that this housing production increase goal is maybe a decade in the making, maybe more than that. Obviously gubernatorial terms are four years. But there are elections every two years and voters are frustrated right now. How do you think about the timeline of the potential solution and the timeline in voters鈥� brains?
Tina Kotek: I think voters are smart. If you say you are trying and you鈥檙e showing progress, four years from now, hopefully they will say we need four more years. But honestly, I鈥檓 not focused on that. What I鈥檓 focused on is putting the structures in place that promote the housing we need. You know I worked on a bill when I was speaker, the bill that said within the urban growth boundary, we need different types of housing. We don鈥檛 need just single family homes and big multi-family apartments. We need duplexes and quads and townhomes. That is now law, so let鈥檚 start building that different type of housing in the urban growth boundaries.
Dave Miller: What are you thinking will be visible from this current effort in just four years?
Tina Kotek: We need to see fewer people living on the streets. We need to see people who are suffering from behavioral health, mental health or substance issues getting more help. And that is another one of my priorities in my budget because people are suffering right now and that has to change. We鈥檙e going to see more construction. In the next year, we have projects that are in the pipeline. My budget says let鈥檚 make sure they get done, and let鈥檚 put more money in there while we work with the private sector and developers to get more help there. And it鈥檚 really clear, it鈥檚 not just really low-income affordable housing. It is workforce housing. When a teacher moves to a community and doesn鈥檛 have a place to live, that is a problem. And we have to get more people into homeownership. The whole spectrum of housing is really clogged right now. People stay renting because they can鈥檛 buy. We need different homeownership opportunities as well. That鈥檚 why the townhomes are a great choice, right? Your first home might be a townhome because we can build those easier, they鈥檙e less expensive. How do we incentivize that? And I can tell you local government has to make it easier to construct.
Dave Miller: And along those lines, there is a bill that lawmakers are considering to do this, and if it passed, the state for the first time, would have to estimate how much new housing every city in the state needs. And then if cities don鈥檛 actually start to work towards that goal, then they could be held accountable in some way. What could that accountability look like? What would you be prepared to have the state do to force cities to build more homes?
Tina Kotek: In my budget, I have a bill that calls for a Housing Production Accountability Office that will say: 鈥淗ey, if you鈥檙e having trouble building, because someone鈥檚 not following the law, we will be on your side, we might even have to get to fines.鈥� I don鈥檛 want to go there yet. What I want to say is: 鈥淗ow do we help our local governments change their processes to build more housing?鈥�
Dave Miller: It seems like these bills are talking about overturning some long standing practices in the way things have been done in this state?
Tina Kotek: The way I look at it is it鈥檚 being true to the land use system we all believe in as Oregonians because that land use system, among other things, has something called Goal 10. Goal 10, which we have been ignoring, says there will be adequate housing in our communities.
Dave Miller: Is the first goal about public input?
Tina Kotek: We can have public input but if people want to protect the urban growth boundaries we have, because we don鈥檛 want sprawl, we want to protect our forests and farmlands, I am 100% there. And we don鈥檛 get to just say: 鈥淲ell, sorry, you can鈥檛 live here.鈥� We have to have an acceptance of the land use system. We have to promote growth within the urban growth boundaries, and have sensible strategic conversations of urban growth expansion so we can have places for people to live. We are economically constrained right now by the fact we don鈥檛 have enough housing. We have a public health emergency because too many people are on the streets because we don鈥檛 have enough housing. This is about the future of Oregon and I think it鈥檚 very Oregon to say: 鈥淥ur land use system says more housing, let鈥檚 get it done, do it right.鈥�
Dave Miller: There鈥檚 another issue that ties into this, a bill that would give you, as governor, the power to redraw urban growth boundaries through executive order, bypassing the current system as a way to lure chip manufacturers, semiconductor companies to the state. It does seem like we鈥檙e in the middle of a rethinking of decades of Oregon鈥檚 land use policies. Is that a fair way to put it?
Tina Kotek: I was in the Legislature for 15 years. There have been these episodic revisitings of our land use system and we鈥檝e had a lot of one-off conversations in the legislature to kind of take the pressure off when things weren鈥檛 working right.
Dave Miller: Urban reserves or different things, but has there been a time when a governor would have the kind of power that you might be handed to unilaterally say: 鈥淵eah, move the line here to lure a chipmaker to build a plant here.鈥� Has that ever been done?
Tina Kotek: Not to my knowledge. I know we had some super citing legislation under Governor Kitzhaber to make some things a little more expedited. That proposal is still developing. It鈥檒l be curious to see where it lands.
Dave Miller: Would you like that power?
Tina Kotek: I think it鈥檚 very time-limited in my mind because we have this moment with the CHIPS Act to attract or allow current employers in the state to expand for advanced manufacturing semiconductors. If I were them, I would make sure it鈥檚 clear that it鈥檚 a limited authority. I would also like that magic wand for housing. So if they could give it to me for CHIPS for semiconductor and housing, I would be excited.
Dave Miller: I want to turn to behavioral health, meaning addiction and mental health together. We keep hearing about a statewide mental health crisis, but I feel like it鈥檚 actually worth getting into the specifics and what that phrase even means to you. What鈥檚 your diagnosis of what鈥檚 wrong right now?
Tina Kotek: First of all, there鈥檚 just too much need out there. Some of that has been exacerbated by the pandemic and the isolation and the lack of access to services. But we had that challenge before the pandemic. We have very high numbers of need here in the Northwest and particularly in Oregon, and we don鈥檛 have a well-functioning system. Pre-pandemic, we have a lot of good people doing good things, but they鈥檙e not coordinated. For a while, we weren鈥檛 resourcing it well. Before I left as speaker, I made sure we added, I think, a half a billion dollars more into behavioral health, mental health and addiction services. Resources are in the system. And so my budget maintains that, and says it鈥檚 not enough to just have those resources, how are they being deployed? We have a workforce issue. We can鈥檛 find people to actually do the work. So what I know is, wherever you live in the state, my goal is to make sure if you need help, you know where to call, you know where to find it, you know how you can afford it, because that is what we need to do. When you鈥檙e ready for recovery, we got to make sure you have some place to go. If you have a mental illness and you need help, you have a place to go. It is hurting our communities and families and we just have to do a better job.
Dave Miller: How do we get from where we are right now to what you鈥檝e just outlined, where if somebody needs help, they know who to call, how to do it and the help is available. How do we get there?
Tina Kotek: I鈥檝e made it a priority in my budget. I know I鈥檝e been saying that a lot, but it鈥檚 very important, given all the demands of the state, that we have a budget that is very focused on the key priorities. And one of them is mental health and addiction. So it鈥檚 maintaining what we have, and asking the providers to say: 鈥淎re you able to provide those services and if you鈥檙e not, what else do you need?鈥� And so we are looking for additional resources to keep people from dying. I鈥檝e got to be really up front. We have people who, because of fentanyl and other things, we have increases in overdose deaths. Let鈥檚 make sure you have access to Naloxone if you鈥檙e a provider. Those are very straightforward things we can do to keep people from dying.
Dave Miller: What about if you鈥檙e just a bar owner or a school teacher?
Tina Kotek: Well, let鈥檚 start with at least our first responders. I mean we have first responders that don鈥檛 have Naloxone and don鈥檛 know how to use it. So we have some work to do there. We have passed legislation allowing them to use it, but we haven鈥檛 provided it. One of my bills says if you leave a treatment facility because you were dealing with an opioid addiction, that you leave with Naloxone. We had that terrible story of that young man in Drain, Oregon, who got sober, he went to treatment, came home and then overdosed. That is sad. That is tragic. We鈥檝e got to keep that from happening.
One of the things we also have to make sure is also happening is we have to focus on inpatient treatment. One of the challenges we鈥檙e having is when you need some inpatient care, whether for a medical detox for a certain number of days or longer treatment setting, we don鈥檛 literally have it in the state. So we鈥檙e focused on the physical capacity as well to make sure people have inpatient treatment. And not every community can have it, but there should be a regional approach to making sure those services are there. When I was down in Douglas County a couple weeks ago, their biggest issue was they have a lot of resources but they don鈥檛 have the workforce. And guess what? They don鈥檛 have places for people to live. So that鈥檚 where you go back to the housing issue. We have to support the workforce, pay them better, but also make sure they have a place to live.
Dave Miller: One of the issues that we鈥檝e heard from many people over the last few years is that the different parts of what we now lump together as behavioral health care, that they鈥檙e way too siloed, in particular, mental health care and substance use disorder treatment. There鈥檚 a ton of overlap in the experiences of Oregonians, but the systems to help them are too separate. What could you do as governor to change that?
Tina Kotek: The first lady is a social worker, and she has experienced this first-hand, this siloing of resources and who pays for one and who does what. We have to improve that. Well, that鈥檚 one of the reasons we need a change in leadership at the Oregon Health Authority. That鈥檚 why we have a new director, interim director. And we have a new behavioral health director who started this week with a new deputy director. The state can鈥檛 solve all the problems, but if the state doesn鈥檛 have an intentional plan, which honestly we don鈥檛, then we are at fault.
Dave Miller: So what鈥檚 the direction that you鈥檝e given those leaders?
Tina Kotek: Well, as you鈥檝e noted, it鈥檚 only been six weeks. So my goal has been making sure we have the right leadership there. I鈥檝e also spoken with the heads of the coordinated care organizations. I had a meeting with them recently, those are the folks who serve our Oregon Health Plan members in Medicaid, they have to do more on making sure they are using their dollars for providing behavioral health care. Remember, we have insured a lot of people in this state, particularly under the Oregon Health Plan. So this isn鈥檛 a matter of whether you have insurance. Does your insurance plan under the Oregon Health Plan provide access to providers? I asked them that: 鈥淲here鈥檚 your network adequacy to provide care?鈥� [It is] somewhat of a workforce issue, not totally. And if you鈥檙e living on the streets, you are an Oregon Health Plan member waiting to happen.
Dave Miller: What was the answer to that question?
Tina Kotek: They nodded and said: 鈥淵eah, we need to do a better job.鈥� And that is going to be a requirement for them to continue doing that work, for them to fully integrate behavioral health and provide access. And they know it. They know they鈥檙e not doing as well as they should.
Dave Miller: You mentioned that through Medicaid, the Oregon Health Plan in this state, many Oregonians are insured. But some number of them are likely to lose their insurance with the ending of the federal public health emergency. What if anything should be done for those people who will lose coverage under the Oregon Health Plan?
Tina Kotek: My goal is to make sure that the fewest number of people lose coverage. This is a transition period as the pandemic benefits are ending. We have to make sure people can continue to get care. So my number one priority in the Oregon Health Authority right now is re-determination- that is the process by which people are considered whether or not they still qualify for the Oregon Health Plan. We are working on making sure we鈥檙e staffed up, that we have better processes, that we can make sure people don鈥檛 get lost in that transition. We鈥檝e also gotten approval from the federal government to provide some level of transitional coverage while we figure it out. We have a great partner in the federal government. Secretary Becerra, he鈥檚 the head of HHS, was here. We were talking about this. We have to keep people covered as best we can and I don鈥檛 want to have anyone fall through the cracks and we鈥檙e very focused on that right now.
Dave Miller: Earlier this week, we talked to two people who live in Boardman. They both have water with high levels of contamination from nitrates which can cause really serious illness or death. This has been going on in Oregon, in Morrow and Umatilla counties, for three decades. I want to play an excerpt from that conversation from one of our guests, Paulo Lopez.
Paulo Lopez (speaking through a Spanish language interpreter): So what I would like is to have the big leaders all come and stand, stand here for us, have let鈥檚 say, what you would call like the start of a fire, right? I mean this is a big emergency and they鈥檙e not taking it as it is. If there was a big fire that would be an emergency. And so is this. This is just a silent one. This is one that could be damaging us. It could be killing us in a silent way from the inside, and we won鈥檛 even know it. So what I want is the leaders to stand there, have big leadership and treat this as the emergency that it is.
Dave Miller: What鈥檚 your response?
Tina Kotek: Well, first of all, I want to thank the local activists who have really stood up for their community. Some of this contamination is, from my understanding, four times what is OK. I mean, it鈥檚 bad.
Dave Miller: In fact, that is the exact number for our two guests, including this man. Paulo Lopez, who you just heard. It鈥檚 four times what the EPA says is dangerous.
Tina Kotek: Is dangerous, not even safe, what is dangerous, it鈥檚 four times that level. It鈥檚 unacceptable. This is a public health crisis. And I was aware, as I was putting my budget together, that this needs attention. So in my budget there is additional money for well testing, and for understanding who does have contaminated wells. A lot of people, almost everybody is on a well there. They need to know. We need to first test everyone because we don鈥檛 have enough people tested right now. They need to get tested.
We need to make sure we can also find the funds to replace the systems. At some point you can鈥檛 do anything but replace them. There鈥檚 the immediate need of making sure people have drinking water. Every Oregonian should have safe, healthy drinking water. My team met with the community leaders just last week to talk this over and I鈥檓 looking forward to being out there to talk with them face to face directly. There鈥檚 a short term need. We have to get the wells tested and we have to talk about long term mitigation and holding the folks who polluted the water accountable to fix this.
Dave Miller: We also got an email from another Boardman resident, Mike Pearson. He also said the DEQ just gave the Port of Morrow a new permit to continue dumping 3.6 billion gallons of untreated wastewater every year until 2026. So what is the state doing not just to respond to this crisis but to prevent it from getting worse?
Tina Kotek: Well, I鈥檒l have to check on what they鈥檝e allowed them to do. My expectation is that it is continuing to meet the needs of businesses but in a safer way. But we also have long term contamination of the water table and that is a problem. And so we鈥檙e gonna be replacing a lot of wells, a lot of systems to help people. And people should feel comfortable boiling water, they shouldn鈥檛 have to boil water to eat in their house. And even that doesn鈥檛 really do anything. They need clean systems and I鈥檓 going to make sure that happens. We are going to appoint a project lead. So there is a lot of interagency confusion right now and communication. We鈥檙e going to work on that, and work with our federal partners to make sure we have the resources to solve the problem long term.
Dave Miller: One of the surprises, at least to the public, that you had to deal with was the scandal involving leaders at the OLCC. In case people didn鈥檛 hear it, leaders there had rare and expensive bottles of bourbon set aside for them. A number of those leaders have resigned and there鈥檚 now a criminal investigation that鈥檚 being undertaken. This has renewed calls from some Oregonians who say just get rid of the state-controlled system of selling liquor. Would you support getting rid of the OLCC?
Tina Kotek: No, I wouldn鈥檛. And my message to Oregonians is: there鈥檚 new leadership. We have an interim, who I have a lot of confidence in. We鈥檙e gonna have a search for a new director. There鈥檚 a new chair of the commission, and we鈥檙e gonna make sure we can rebuild confidence. We have a high functioning state system to make sure people have access to the beverages they need, and it supports the local industry as well. There is nothing in the privatization of that system that I think will improve anything. And we have a system that works and we need to make sure people have confidence in the agency who鈥檚 running the system, and that鈥檚 what we鈥檙e doing with new leadership. I am appalled by what the leadership there was doing. They were abusing their power for personal gain.
Dave Miller: Sarah Iannarone, a former mayoral candidate who is now the head of the Street Trust, sent us this question: 鈥淥regon was in the top 10 states for pedestrian fatalities in the latter half of 2022. Transportation is the second highest household cost after housing for many people. Yet our mobility isn鈥檛 much talked about in the governor鈥檚 agenda. What are Tina Kotek鈥檚 plans to get Oregonians moving safely and affordably?鈥�
Tina Kotek: Thank you for the question, Sarah. In the 2017 transportation package we did, for the first time, have a statewide payroll tax to help local transit. Again, I haven鈥檛 been in office very long, but one of the questions I would have for the Department of Transportation and our local transit districts is: 鈥淗ow are they using that money effectively to improve lines and the pricing?鈥� I don鈥檛 think we鈥檝e paid enough attention to how TriMet is doing their business, and so having conversations with them will be important.
Dave Miller: What are the questions that you are most eager to ask them?
Tina Kotek: Well, are we really focusing on making it as easy as possible to move people, make that option of public transit a real option? As you know, I lived in and represented North and Northeast Portland for years, and it wasn鈥檛 easy to get on the bus and get where you need to go, and the Max was too slow, multiple stops, right? How do you really have a conversation about changing behavior? It has to be easier, has to be affordable, and TriMet plays a big role in the metro area, and I鈥檓 going to ask them what they need and see if we have to do something differently so they can do a better job serving the community.
Dave Miller: You obviously were very familiar with Oregon government before you took this job. But what has surprised you in your six or seven weeks as governor?
Tina Kotek: I am not so much surprised but excited about the opportunity to lead our state agencies to higher performance. We have a lot of wonderful state employees who are working really hard, who need to be supported. The pandemic was challenging for everybody. Like every employer, I鈥檓 in charge of making sure that everyone can perform and feel like they are making progress in their job. And I鈥檝e been both inspired by the people who work here, but also see the challenges. Like every day, it鈥檒l be like, why do we do this this way? Can we do that easier? When the answer is we鈥檝e always done it that way. That is an opportunity for change.
Dave Miller: I鈥檓 curious about what you鈥檝e seen that you would actually like to change.
Tina Kotek: So I think the answer to that is why do we do procurement the way that we do. Here鈥檚 an example: We ask people to apply a lot for money. We think the way to get to accountability and transparency is saying we have a pot of money to do X, we want you to all apply for it. We鈥檝e never said, well maybe there are these folks that we could pre-approve and say these folks we know because we have pre-approved them can do all this work. And then we say we need these types of things done, who鈥檚 willing to do it? Instead, we let people come to us, particularly in housing, and say, 鈥淚 want to build over here.鈥� It鈥檚 like there鈥檚 nothing wrong with that particular project but maybe that community shouldn鈥檛 be the first community that gets new housing because the other one has none. We have to think about moving money in a way that鈥檚 a lot more strategic and intentional versus we鈥檒l just let people apply for it and hand it out. We do a lot of that at the state and I think we have to change our thinking about directing how the dollars are actually spent.
Dave Miller: Can you help us understand your decision making process? How do you approach issues and how do you, yourself, come to a decision that you feel like you can stand by?
Tina Kotek: So I wake up every day thinking: 鈥淗ow do we make things better for Oregonians?鈥� So when something comes before me, even if it seems not at all about serving Oregonians, it鈥檚 always been, well, what does this mean for the person who needs this service? Will this make things better for people? We can get very caught up in the processes of doing state government, that we forget who we鈥檙e trying to serve. So for me, it鈥檚 always: will this make things better? Will it serve the entire state? As you know, I鈥檓 planning to visit every county this year. I am and will be a governor for the entire state. So when someone says we should do this, I鈥檓 like, well, how does this play in Burns? How does this play in Pendleton? We have to think about what we do as it relates to the geography of the state and is it actually improving things on a day-to-day basis for people鈥檚 lives. That might sound really simple. But it鈥檚 so important when we鈥檙e doing this work because we can get very caught up in what we鈥檙e doing, and we forget that this is about serving individuals.
Dave Miller: Who are some of the last people that are in the room with you when you鈥檙e making big decisions? Who are the actual people who you turn to for guidance when you鈥檙e not sure how to proceed?
Tina Kotek: I think one of the hardest things about being governor is you can鈥檛 be in every detail. Speaker of the House, you could be a lot more into the details of the legislative process. As governor, it鈥檚 too big, and there are a lot of things you have to work on. So I have a great team. And what I say to them is, I often ask: 鈥淲ell, who did you talk to? Tell me about the process that got you to this recommendation.鈥� And if they haven鈥檛, I was like: 鈥淵ou need to go back and talk to this person or that person to make sure we鈥檙e getting a full scope of what the recommendation is.鈥� So asking who has been consulted as part of that, but for me it depends on the issue. I鈥檝e worked in state government for a long time. I鈥檝e been an advocate for many, many years.
I鈥檒l give you a perfect example. On March 1st, the expanded SNAP benefits went away. Food stamps 鈥� SNAP 鈥� the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. We鈥檝e had expanded benefits for almost three years because of the pandemic. So I called up Susanna Morgan, who is the executive director of the Oregon Food Bank, and I said: 鈥淥K, tell me what you鈥檙e seeing on the ground.鈥� So she told me and said we need some emergency money now because we have to go buy food. So we wrote a letter saying we need emergency food to go out to the statewide food network because people are gonna have a rude awakening when they have less benefits through SNAP. I will call someone I know and say: 鈥淲hat鈥檚 going on, what鈥檚 happening out in the world?鈥� That helps me inform, with my staff, what they鈥檙e hearing in their process, and we try to make clear decisions. The hardest thing about this job is you gotta make a clear decision and follow through because people need clarity.
Copyright 2023 Oregon Public Broadcasting. To see more, visit .